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paul ryan knows how to debate. the question is whether he's going to be able, in a debate, to defend his stances and those of mitt romney. >> especially that ryan budget, up against joe biden. john nichols, great to have you with us tonight. thanks a lot. there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay with us. >> i'll tell you, you've got a great boss. he runs a great operation here. >> the federal election commission is now involved over mitt romney's use of coal miners as props. robert reich on the plutocrat's revolt is next. >>> the mother of a navy s.e.a.l. killed in benghazi asks mitt romney to stop using her son as a political prop. that story, ahead. >>> and congressman joe walsh has reached yet another new low. >> tammy duckworth, who's on a stage down in charlotte, if you can look at the picture, picking out a dress for her speech tuesday night. >> tonight, karen finney on why the tea party crazies could be facing extinction. begin. tomato, obviously. haha. there's more than that
paul ryan knows how to debate. the question is whether he's going to be able, in a debate, to defend his stances and those of mitt romney. >> especially that ryan budget, up against joe biden. john nichols, great to have you with us tonight. thanks a lot. there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay with us. >> i'll tell you, you've got a great boss. he runs a great operation here. >> the federal election commission is now involved over...
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paul ryan's family, paul ryan's business, paul ryan's whole life in janisville, wisconsin, when he was busy sitting there reading ayn rand and dreaming of a libertarian independent future, that whole life was made possible by the help of government. by social security supplemental income when his father died at a young age. by roads, by railroads, by government programs. this is a cooperative effort. and this is what mitt romney and paul ryan are rejecting and what joe biden and barack obama need too defend. it couldn't be more fundamental or more urgent, because without the counterargument, mitt romney is rocketing to the lead in the popular vote and he's catching up in the electoral college very quickly. it couldn't be more important tomorrow night. everybody says vice presidential debates don't matter. this one really does. >> i think it does. i think it really does. it's -- and i also think it sets the table for ryan to prove that hays the true conservative, that the conservatives want him to be. and the question is, is he going to leave that stage being the same guy or is he going
paul ryan's family, paul ryan's business, paul ryan's whole life in janisville, wisconsin, when he was busy sitting there reading ayn rand and dreaming of a libertarian independent future, that whole life was made possible by the help of government. by social security supplemental income when his father died at a young age. by roads, by railroads, by government programs. this is a cooperative effort. and this is what mitt romney and paul ryan are rejecting and what joe biden and barack obama...
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olson has been playing the part of joe biden in paul ryan's debate prep, which will help paul ryan get better at debating which will help him become vice president which would be bad for gay rights. right? >> or in my attempt to persuade ryan on this issue. don't understate the possibility that dialogue and talking about these issues makes a difference. not just independents and not just democrats but republicans, too. the tides are changing. attitudes are changing. and the way to change those attitudes is dialogue. and the way to change those attitudes is to talk to people about the fundamental right and the way to deal with republicans in my opinion is to say we are the party of abraham lincoln. let's not forget that. what are these -- we say that. let's live up to that. let's think about our principles here. what is decency and privacy and respect? can't talk about what happens in debate preparation but when those issues, if they're issues, they come up in the preparation because they might come up in the debate, and you talk about those things and i can argue as persuasively as i'm
olson has been playing the part of joe biden in paul ryan's debate prep, which will help paul ryan get better at debating which will help him become vice president which would be bad for gay rights. right? >> or in my attempt to persuade ryan on this issue. don't understate the possibility that dialogue and talking about these issues makes a difference. not just independents and not just democrats but republicans, too. the tides are changing. attitudes are changing. and the way to change...
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you saw it in debate with ryan and biden. this should have been the biggest opening for ryan. and biden actually didn't tell the truth about what the administration knew about this attack. he contradicted his own state department. but ryan failed to call him on it. instead biden sort of cornered ryan into a situation where he ended up defending sort of bush's unpopular foreign policy instead. and so that i think was a major missed opportunity for ryan. and something romney is going to have to be prepared to do in the next presidential debate is really bring out and make that a focus that this whole situation with foreign policy. >> so david, what about conventional wisdom out there on who's going to be better in the town hall form style. what are you hearing? >> i think obama has higher expectations now because of his flat first performance. i think the key for him is how much energy does he show without going overboard here? biden is sort of his own guy there. but the president has to know, he basically has admitted himself he has to up his game. coming out of this debate, th
you saw it in debate with ryan and biden. this should have been the biggest opening for ryan. and biden actually didn't tell the truth about what the administration knew about this attack. he contradicted his own state department. but ryan failed to call him on it. instead biden sort of cornered ryan into a situation where he ended up defending sort of bush's unpopular foreign policy instead. and so that i think was a major missed opportunity for ryan. and something romney is going to have to...
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one showed ryan 48% to 44% ahead. cbs news' flash poll gave biden the win with 50% compared to 31% for ryan and 19% called the debate a tie. for a look at some of the highlights, we go to steve handelsman at the debate sight in danville, kentucky. good morning. >> reporter: good morning from danville, kentucky where they differ sharply on practically all the big issues. these are smart, well informed politicians. paul rye yand and joe biden had reason to feel good last night. a long time democratic insider versus a republican young gun whose ticket has new momentum. mitt romney was watching, barack obama, too. the moderator from abc. they tangled on iran. >> they are closer to a nuclear weapon. >> we will not allow the iranians to get a nuclear weapon. you gonna go to war? is that what you want to do now? >> we want to prevent war. >> what about 47% of americans feeling entitled to benefits. >> i think the vice president knows sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i m
one showed ryan 48% to 44% ahead. cbs news' flash poll gave biden the win with 50% compared to 31% for ryan and 19% called the debate a tie. for a look at some of the highlights, we go to steve handelsman at the debate sight in danville, kentucky. good morning. >> reporter: good morning from danville, kentucky where they differ sharply on practically all the big issues. these are smart, well informed politicians. paul rye yand and joe biden had reason to feel good last night. a long time...
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ryan? got a little cotton mouth? last night the romney/ryan effort was exposed as a shield for the extreme far right and vice president biden drove that point home again and again today, campaigning right in ryan's home state of wisconsin. >> it was made clear last night that they don't believe in protecting a woman's access to health care. it was made very clear that they do not believe a woman has a right to control her own body. these are are the folks who talk about 47% of the american people being unwilling to take responsibility. of it's time romney and ryan say we're going to level the playing field. we're going to give you a fair shot again. >> paul ryan has been saying he wanted a big debate. well, last night he got one and today their whole dishonest campaign is sorry he did. joining me now, dana milbank for "the washington post" and marge. >> nowhere more than when biden nailed him on the gop's attack on the stimulus. watch. >> i love my friend here. i'm not allowed to show letters but go to our website. h
ryan? got a little cotton mouth? last night the romney/ryan effort was exposed as a shield for the extreme far right and vice president biden drove that point home again and again today, campaigning right in ryan's home state of wisconsin. >> it was made clear last night that they don't believe in protecting a woman's access to health care. it was made very clear that they do not believe a woman has a right to control her own body. these are are the folks who talk about 47% of the...
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when you look at the fact that ryan and akin are two of a kind, paul ryan, the vice presidential candidate chosen by mitt romney and todd akin co-sponsored a bill called, the no taxpayer funded abortion toll tha would limit what would be considered rape, that funds could only be used for forceable rape, which has been the controversy around akin. >> right. and paul ryan co-sponsored it. >> co-sponsored it. >> co-sponsored it. not just supported it. and this is what is so incredible, that now the anti-choice people are so -- they smell victory and they are letting romney get away with this flip-flopping. so instead of calling him on the carpet and saying, what do you mean? we all know what he meant because we know he's going to be a pro life president. >> they think that he's going to win. once he's in, i think that they think they can have a claim on him. that is historically where they've gotten their absolute victories. >> scary. joan walsh and irin carmon, thank you for your time tonight. >>> coming up, no more mr. nice guy. president obama is getting revved up for the next debate and s
when you look at the fact that ryan and akin are two of a kind, paul ryan, the vice presidential candidate chosen by mitt romney and todd akin co-sponsored a bill called, the no taxpayer funded abortion toll tha would limit what would be considered rape, that funds could only be used for forceable rape, which has been the controversy around akin. >> right. and paul ryan co-sponsored it. >> co-sponsored it. >> co-sponsored it. not just supported it. and this is what is so...
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paul ryan laid out what the romney/ryan agenda would be for the future. you didn't hear anything new at all from vice president biden about what the obama administration's going to do to get down unemployment, to spark growth. all the things they've been failing at. they have laid out no vision at all to address that. >> his point was that vice president joe biden was inappropriate and insubstantial. what was your take? >> i thought he was passionate. i thought he was personal and i thought he was very substantial. i thought he really won the debate. i think that he was willing to be specific in a way paul ryan wasn't. i think paul ryan did not have an answer to the question of what's your $5 trillion tax plan, what exactly what benefits are you going to cut? what exactly are you going to do? i don't think he had an answer on afghanistan. the only thing paul ryan had a specific answer on he and romney are willing to take away a woman's right to choose. >> if you look at what happened afterwards and hearing the talking heads this morning, democrats thought
paul ryan laid out what the romney/ryan agenda would be for the future. you didn't hear anything new at all from vice president biden about what the obama administration's going to do to get down unemployment, to spark growth. all the things they've been failing at. they have laid out no vision at all to address that. >> his point was that vice president joe biden was inappropriate and insubstantial. what was your take? >> i thought he was passionate. i thought he was personal and i...
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was capturing what mitt ryan -- mitt ryan? what mitt romney and paul ryan were saying. the point where mr. romney interrupted mr. ryan was when he said, you know, he was just acting so -- and romney jumped in, careful. careful. ixnay on the talking. at his first post-debate appearance today in wisconsin, vice president joe biden took the final topic of last night's debate, issue of abortion rights and hit paul ryan with it pretty forcefully. >> if anyone had a doubt about what's at stake in this election, when it comes to women's rights, and the supreme court, i'm sure they were settled last night. it was made clear last night that they don't believe in protecting a woman's access to health care. it was made very clear that they do not believe a woman has a right to control her own body. these guys have a social policy out of the '50s. >> that was joe biden's first major campaign appearance today after last night's big event with paul ryan. now, paul ryan's first public appearance after last night's debate was not that moment
was capturing what mitt ryan -- mitt ryan? what mitt romney and paul ryan were saying. the point where mr. romney interrupted mr. ryan was when he said, you know, he was just acting so -- and romney jumped in, careful. careful. ixnay on the talking. at his first post-debate appearance today in wisconsin, vice president joe biden took the final topic of last night's debate, issue of abortion rights and hit paul ryan with it pretty forcefully. >> if anyone had a doubt about what's at stake...
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>> i think joe just needs to be joe. >> paul ryan set to clear any confusion about the romney/ryan ticket. >> i'm a pro-life candidate, i'll be a pro-life president. >> our position is consistent and hasn't changed. >> he can't clear up confusion on his own budget. >> i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all the math. >> oh, brother. just spin already. >> i just got to ask what's your personal best? >> 1under three. >> holy smoke. >> i stand by what i said, whatever it was. >>> we are pumped up, fired up, and jacked up with just hours until tonight's first and only face-off between vice president joseph biden and vice presidential nominee paul ryan. and what was once regarded as a popcorn side show has taken on far greater significance in the wake of the president's less than scintillating performance last week. democrats are anxious, republicans are hungry for a surge, and as ryan and biden take the stage tonight, they have a chance to influence this election at a volatile moment. and the president himself knows he's got to push harder against his ever-shiftin
>> i think joe just needs to be joe. >> paul ryan set to clear any confusion about the romney/ryan ticket. >> i'm a pro-life candidate, i'll be a pro-life president. >> our position is consistent and hasn't changed. >> he can't clear up confusion on his own budget. >> i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all the math. >> oh, brother. just spin already. >> i just got to ask what's your personal best? >> 1under...
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ryan likes it or not. second, mr. ryan's budget, which was proposed and supported by house republicans for the fiscal here 2013, would devastate vital services to millions of americans. chairman ryan proudly presented his budget knowing that he wanted to cut the earned income tax credit, slash $134 million from the supplemental nutrition program, and zero out support services for the elderly, disabled, and at-risk young people that would affect something like 23 million americans. in fact, mr. ryan's economic plan was deemed to be so callous that when he spoke at georgetown university, 90 members of the faculty sent him a letter saying that his budget was a complete bastardization of catholic social teaching. as father thomas reese said, i am afraid that chairman ryan's budget reflects the values of his favorite philosopher ayn rand rather than the gospel of jesus christ. mr. ryan says his opponents are liars who want to
ryan likes it or not. second, mr. ryan's budget, which was proposed and supported by house republicans for the fiscal here 2013, would devastate vital services to millions of americans. chairman ryan proudly presented his budget knowing that he wanted to cut the earned income tax credit, slash $134 million from the supplemental nutrition program, and zero out support services for the elderly, disabled, and at-risk young people that would affect something like 23 million americans. in fact, mr....
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how much pressure faces paul ryan. and this morning, former penn state football coach jerry sandusky finds out if he'll spend the rest of his life in prison on 45 counts of child sex abuse, he already put out a taped statement denying it all. we'll have the latest from the courthouse as soon as it happens. it is happening within minutes there in pennsylvania. >>> good morning from washington, it's four weeks until election day, tuesday, october 10. will romney serve in national polling translate into gains where it really matters t battleground states, the mimpb battleground states of iowa, wisconsin and ohio. romney will not be president unless he can put these states in play. in a new pew poll conducted since wednesday. just last month in the same poll, romney trailed by eight points. driving romney surge, a spike in republican enthusiasm, more republicans made it through pew's likely voter screen than democrats. and a larger group of registered voters, the candidates are tied at 46. while it's unlikely returns on el
how much pressure faces paul ryan. and this morning, former penn state football coach jerry sandusky finds out if he'll spend the rest of his life in prison on 45 counts of child sex abuse, he already put out a taped statement denying it all. we'll have the latest from the courthouse as soon as it happens. it is happening within minutes there in pennsylvania. >>> good morning from washington, it's four weeks until election day, tuesday, october 10. will romney serve in national polling...
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. >>> is paul ryan starting to feel the heed? just two days before his do-or-die showdown with joe biden. check this out. >> by kiting taxes, with the big tax cut? >> those are yours, not mine. >> thank you very much, sir. >> that was kind of strange. >> yeah take off that microphone. good luck trying that with joe biden on thursday. >>> plus big bird is still flying high and there are signs now that the great yellow friend is getting under mitt romney's skin. >>> and the inside story of the family intervention inside the romney campaign. it's a real shocker, and it really happened. you're watches "politics nation" on msnbc. [ male announcer ] how do you make america's favorite recipes? just begin with america's favorite soups. bring out chicken broccoli alfredo. or best-ever meatloaf. go to campbellskitchen.com for recipes, plus a valuable coupon. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. [ ryan ] it doesn't get any better than endless shrimp at red lobster. you can mix and match all day! [ male announcer ] don't miss red lobst
. >>> is paul ryan starting to feel the heed? just two days before his do-or-die showdown with joe biden. check this out. >> by kiting taxes, with the big tax cut? >> those are yours, not mine. >> thank you very much, sir. >> that was kind of strange. >> yeah take off that microphone. good luck trying that with joe biden on thursday. >>> plus big bird is still flying high and there are signs now that the great yellow friend is getting under mitt...
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where does paul ryan stand on his own budget that was passed twice? think about paul ryan. he has to go to the plate tonight and take a swing at trying to knock it out of the park when the plan that he put forward for america does not poll in the majority. he has to make the case to the american people tonight that his plan is best for america where it doesn't poll anywhere pol positively. so i think the vice president has to make sure that they don't miss opportunities. >> does he bring the heat on every issue, does he bring the heat on the 47%. >> don't be ofafraid to say 31 months of private jobs growth is great for america considering where we were and these folks want it take us back to deregulation, giving more tax breaks to the wealthiest americans. this is right in the wheel house of joe bbiden. the fact that they're down playing the fact of how much debate experience paul ryan has is just window dressing. i've seen joe biden so many times on the stump in person, he stands up, he gets riled up. this will be a little bit more controlled and i think a lot more centere
where does paul ryan stand on his own budget that was passed twice? think about paul ryan. he has to go to the plate tonight and take a swing at trying to knock it out of the park when the plan that he put forward for america does not poll in the majority. he has to make the case to the american people tonight that his plan is best for america where it doesn't poll anywhere pol positively. so i think the vice president has to make sure that they don't miss opportunities. >> does he bring...
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that's what paul ryan said? so in other words if somebody comes into his office and says, hey, i need $20 million for this project, it's just a quick stamp of approval? ryan's part of the problem in washington, and he's trying to blame the democrats for it. at certain points the vice president was openly fact checking paul ryan's comments in realtime. >> this is a plan that's bipartisan. it's a plan i put together with a prominent democrat senator from oregon. >> there's not one democrat who endorses it. not one democrat who signed the plan. >> our partner is a democrat from oregon. >> he says he does no longer support -- >> we put it together with the former clinton budget director. >> who disavows it. >> this idea came from the clinton commission to save medicare chaired by senator john breaux. here's the point, martha. >> which was rejected. >> if we don't -- >> that was a crucial point in the debate right there. here's a guy trying to talk about a plan that has bipartisan support, and joe biden stood up for
that's what paul ryan said? so in other words if somebody comes into his office and says, hey, i need $20 million for this project, it's just a quick stamp of approval? ryan's part of the problem in washington, and he's trying to blame the democrats for it. at certain points the vice president was openly fact checking paul ryan's comments in realtime. >> this is a plan that's bipartisan. it's a plan i put together with a prominent democrat senator from oregon. >> there's not one...
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ryan has tweaked the plan. his latest plan is a lot more generous in terms of subsidy and how they grow over time. the $6,400 is no longer relevant. that's something the congressional office did find in the analysis of the older plan that seniors would end up paying $6,400 or more. it was an decade or more into the future. but, again, he has now change thad plan. it's a lot more generous. cbo hasn't had enough detail. hasn't been able to do enough analyst on the new plan. >> we could spend 30 minutes on this easily on each debate. >> easily. >> i want to thank both of you for coming on and attempting to cyst throu sift through some of. this lori robertson and edward-isaac dovere. >>> coming up, you might not know -- you might not know his views on evolution or rather creationism, and he's not alone. he's not at all alone in the halls of congress. >> here's our framework. lower tax rates 20%. we forgo about 1 preside$1.4 tr >> we're going to hear from team romney next. then a little bit later, how your choice of
ryan has tweaked the plan. his latest plan is a lot more generous in terms of subsidy and how they grow over time. the $6,400 is no longer relevant. that's something the congressional office did find in the analysis of the older plan that seniors would end up paying $6,400 or more. it was an decade or more into the future. but, again, he has now change thad plan. it's a lot more generous. cbo hasn't had enough detail. hasn't been able to do enough analyst on the new plan. >> we could...
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, it's congressman ryan who has specifics. he has an actual budget that vice president biden and reporters, quite frankly, can point to to say, in your budget, house budget committee chairman, you propose this, you propose that. where are you now? and the bind that congressman ryan is in, he's not the top of the ticket. governor romney is and governor romney said famously after they were chosen, paul ryan has his plan but i'm the candidate. i have my own plan. paul ryan is going to have to figure out how he can talk about what he believes and not run afoul of wherever governor romney might be on any of these budgetary issues, and especially medicare. >> it could be very interesting and very important given where we are at this stage, 29 days out. jonathan and margie omera, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >>> a new group intimidating voters at the poll. into plus, the folks at snl brought humor but there's a serious point to be made. that's ahead. [ female announcer ] you can measure the growth of children by the
, it's congressman ryan who has specifics. he has an actual budget that vice president biden and reporters, quite frankly, can point to to say, in your budget, house budget committee chairman, you propose this, you propose that. where are you now? and the bind that congressman ryan is in, he's not the top of the ticket. governor romney is and governor romney said famously after they were chosen, paul ryan has his plan but i'm the candidate. i have my own plan. paul ryan is going to have to...
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paul ryan is in florida after studying after four days in a woodsy virginia camp. vice president biden is at home in delaware focusing on ryan's speeches and his budget. >>> national hospital is reporting yet another death from the meningitis outbreak. if confirmed, it would be the fifth deadly case in tennessee. that is the ninth nationally. at least 105 people in nine states from minnesota to florida have been affected. the cdc now believes 13,000 people in 23 states may have received the steroid injection that's are tied to the outbreak. and while many are believed not to be at risk, those who got the shot between late june and september are being urged to get checked. >>> for the very first time, we are hearing from jerry sandusky ahead of the sentencing this morning on 45 counts of child sexual assault. the former penn state assistant football coach was convicted in june of molesting ten boys over 15 years. prosecutors say about half a dozen of his victims will take the witness stand and sandusky himself is expected to testify at the hearing to defiantly say h
paul ryan is in florida after studying after four days in a woodsy virginia camp. vice president biden is at home in delaware focusing on ryan's speeches and his budget. >>> national hospital is reporting yet another death from the meningitis outbreak. if confirmed, it would be the fifth deadly case in tennessee. that is the ninth nationally. at least 105 people in nine states from minnesota to florida have been affected. the cdc now believes 13,000 people in 23 states may have...
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that's compared to 44% who favor ryan. when it comes to predicting the winner of tonight's debate, 40% of registered voters say ryan will come out on top. 34% think biden will prevail. nbc's tracie potts has a preview of tonight's debate. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. the pressure is on vice president biden to try to turn things around after the presidential debate last week. he has the experience on the debate stage to do so. but as you saw in the numbers, it looks like the public is betting more on paul ryan. ryan took a bit of an exertion yesterday while he was practicing in florida saying that the vice president will probably come at me like a cannonball. but that the obama record, as ryan put it, is his achilles heel. ryan is in kentucky after debate preps in florida and virginia. he's done three mock debates. meantime, the vice president has been in delaware focusing on ryan's book, on his speeches, on his budget. he says he wants to give ryan no chance to say this was not our position. the white house rel
that's compared to 44% who favor ryan. when it comes to predicting the winner of tonight's debate, 40% of registered voters say ryan will come out on top. 34% think biden will prevail. nbc's tracie potts has a preview of tonight's debate. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. the pressure is on vice president biden to try to turn things around after the presidential debate last week. he has the experience on the debate stage to do so. but as you saw in the numbers, it looks like the...
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ryan? i would challenge him on these very fundamental positions he's taking. >> maybe you should xerox that and slip it to one of biden's guys. >> both sides can see it. both sides can see it. >> in the meantime, the polls, we had a little graphic up that showed pole ryization. because so many people have made up their minds, do you bank on this debate tonight being any kind of a change in the game? >> i doubt it's going to be a change. we've seen very few vice presidential debates where they've mattered. democrats want a little bit of momentum. these polls have shown that last week's debate didn't matter all that much but going into this final stretch with 26 days left they actually want something to believe in their side, to take the fight to the republicans. i think that's what they're going to be looking for. the republicans want to keep their momentum. >> i think the draw goes to the other side, the republicans. >> i do too. >> without a win. >> has to be decisive. >> the team loses. >
ryan? i would challenge him on these very fundamental positions he's taking. >> maybe you should xerox that and slip it to one of biden's guys. >> both sides can see it. both sides can see it. >> in the meantime, the polls, we had a little graphic up that showed pole ryization. because so many people have made up their minds, do you bank on this debate tonight being any kind of a change in the game? >> i doubt it's going to be a change. we've seen very few vice...
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congressman ryan or mr. ryan or -- >> didn't they rule out congressman ryan for the moderator? >> yeah. >> requested that the moderator refer to him as mr. -- >> for the moderator. >> the moderator. >> doesn't play by the same rule that martha -- >> and you spent a lot of time discussing what you're going to call the other person, what that conveys. i sort of wondered if did they really come up with joe you're going to go out and refer to him as my friend? i don't think so. i think this was an example of him lapsing back into sort of obscenities as you said, what he's comfortable doing, been in the senate for a long time, the right honorable gentleman, my friend, my colleague and you fall into what you're comfortable doing. >> better senate-east than ill ease. >> that's true. >> that's why they do in the senate. >> you would rather refer to him as congressman ryan and remind everybody he's been part of the congress with the lowest approval numbers. >> that's the whole purpose. >> last point here. paul ryan for -- from, you know, outside assessment, was not seemingly that nervou
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debate, both ryan and joe biden won in terms of politics. the question at this point is how do the guys aet the top of the ticket, how do they capitalize on that? >> how do they move forward? >> mitt romney has to do what he did last week again or ten days ago. he needs to do that again. if you watched mitt romney he wasn't a good debater at all. i don't think he was in '07 or '08 or '11. but, boy, this year he's turned into a terrific debater. i think president obama has the greatest challenge. he's not joe biden. he's never given in the campaign so far as passionate the way joe biden did the other night. he has to do that. he has to be as convincing, probably more. he has to look like he wants it, like he's enjoying it as much as joe biden. >> like he wants to actually be there, be in the debate. >> and wants the job. >> we've seen a shake-up of sorts in the polls here lately with governor romney gaining some ground. today's tracking poll shows that mitt romney is now lead big two points there among likely voters. the romney camp pushing i
debate, both ryan and joe biden won in terms of politics. the question at this point is how do the guys aet the top of the ticket, how do they capitalize on that? >> how do they move forward? >> mitt romney has to do what he did last week again or ten days ago. he needs to do that again. if you watched mitt romney he wasn't a good debater at all. i don't think he was in '07 or '08 or '11. but, boy, this year he's turned into a terrific debater. i think president obama has the...
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/ryan plan? >> yeah. i think one of the things that was so remarkable and frustrating about the performance in the presidential debate was that romney seemed to essentially disown anything that he had previously advocated that was now unpopular. he pulled this remarkable u-turn. paul ryan -- it's going to be much harder for him to do that. he wrote the ryan plan. >> right. >> he can't run away from the plan that bears his name, the plan that bears his name that would voucherize medicare. so i think the key is for joe biden to take the modern republican party, particularly the modern republican house caucus and hang it around the neck of paul ryan. >> well, ryan wrote the budget, as you said, and ryan is named after -- and he is the one that made some of these votes. kind of hard to run away from it. krystal, when you look at his record, it seems right for pickings. his budget raises taxes on the poor. it makes seniors pay $6400 more for medicare coverage, all while giving millionaires a $265,000
/ryan plan? >> yeah. i think one of the things that was so remarkable and frustrating about the performance in the presidential debate was that romney seemed to essentially disown anything that he had previously advocated that was now unpopular. he pulled this remarkable u-turn. paul ryan -- it's going to be much harder for him to do that. he wrote the ryan plan. >> right. >> he can't run away from the plan that bears his name, the plan that bears his name that would...
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paul ryan's home turf. going into the debate, the marching orders issued by democrats loud and clear, be aggressive and don't let congressman ryan go unchallenged, as the president did in his first debate with romney. >> a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. >> i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. [ laughter ] >> for ryan, the larger mission at least at the first ten-minute mark of the debate was to avoid being steamrolled while defending the controversial stances from governor romney. >> you weren't asked basically why i'm pro life. it's not simply because of my catholic faith. that's a factor of course. it's because of reason and science. >> life begins at conception. that's the church's judgment. >> i refuse to impose it on equally devout christians and muslims and jews. i refuse to impose that on others unlike my friend here, the congressman. >> the vice president domi
paul ryan's home turf. going into the debate, the marching orders issued by democrats loud and clear, be aggressive and don't let congressman ryan go unchallenged, as the president did in his first debate with romney. >> a guy who says 47% of the american people are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. >> i think the vice president very well knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. [ laughter ] >> for ryan, the larger mission...
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ryan two is another issue. they were debating ryan one. do you think this is going to be a problem with seniors and the vote in florida and other key states? >> i don't think so. i think the romney ticket is winning on that issue and it's just uncontested that the administration takes money out of medicare, $700 billion to pay for obama care. you know, seniors understand that medicare needs to be reformed and there are reforms proposed from the left, reforms proposed from the right but they all have the point of saving medicare. making medicare stronger except what the president did with obama care. >> romney takes the same $716 billion out. the same number. >> the ryan plan is designed to make medicare stronger and it does it along the lines of medicare advantage and part d. it does it by giving seniors more choices and counting on them to police the waste and the fraud in the system and that's worked very well with medicare advantage and medicare part d. aimed at saving medicare. obama care takes money out of medicare to pay for a progra
ryan two is another issue. they were debating ryan one. do you think this is going to be a problem with seniors and the vote in florida and other key states? >> i don't think so. i think the romney ticket is winning on that issue and it's just uncontested that the administration takes money out of medicare, $700 billion to pay for obama care. you know, seniors understand that medicare needs to be reformed and there are reforms proposed from the left, reforms proposed from the right but...
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up next biden versus ryan what's at stake in tomorrow's bluegrass debate. join us tomorrow live in danville, kentucky, for the vice presidential debate. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. these fellas used capital one venture miles for a golf getaway. double miles you can actually use... but mr. single miles can't join his friends because he's getting hit with blackouts. shame on you. now he's stuck in a miniature nightmare. oh, thank you. but, with the capital one venture card... you can fly any airline, any flight, any time. double miles you can actually use. what's in your wallet? alec jr? it was a gift. >>> i look forward to watching the vice president tomorrow. i know he's eager to it. i think he's going to be have to be on his toes because my guess is you're going to see what mitt romney tried to do which is paul ryan congress beman ryan walk away from the positions he's held during the campaign and give a softer image for the american people. >> and there are real challenges for both sides in tomorrow's big bluegrass debate. for
up next biden versus ryan what's at stake in tomorrow's bluegrass debate. join us tomorrow live in danville, kentucky, for the vice presidential debate. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. these fellas used capital one venture miles for a golf getaway. double miles you can actually use... but mr. single miles can't join his friends because he's getting hit with blackouts. shame on you. now he's stuck in a miniature nightmare. oh, thank you. but, with the capital...
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ryan has got to respond. ryan is a detail person. i think if biden charges very specifically and effectively what the lies are, that both romney and ryan have been telling, based upon ryan's previous record it's going to be very difficult for ryan. that's exactly what joe biden ought to be doing. >> indeed he should. steve kornacki, professor robert reich, thank you both, gentlemen. >>> next, grab a pen. we have the latest lessons in science and history from the gop. stay with us. >> we all like pbs. i mean, i have grand kids, they love big bird and burt ander ni and so forth, but we borrow money effectively from china to make sure our kids don't have to watch advertising on pbs. my view is it makes sense to stop borrowing many and let our kids get used to corn flakes. >> sesame street was brought today by the letter "g" for grouch. the capital one cash rewards card gives you a 50% annual bonus. and everyone likes 50% more [ russian accent ] rubles. eh, eheh, eh, eh. [ brooklyn accent ] 50% more simoleons. [ western accent ] 50% more
ryan has got to respond. ryan is a detail person. i think if biden charges very specifically and effectively what the lies are, that both romney and ryan have been telling, based upon ryan's previous record it's going to be very difficult for ryan. that's exactly what joe biden ought to be doing. >> indeed he should. steve kornacki, professor robert reich, thank you both, gentlemen. >>> next, grab a pen. we have the latest lessons in science and history from the gop. stay with...
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a huge stage for paul ryan. we're going to be looking for how joe biden addresses the issue of seniors and medicare, we're going to be look at how paul ryan carries those attacks and how he's able defend the romney/ryan ticket as opposed to his own positions and his own statements. romney's been modulating a little bit or saying some things that were somewhat garbled on abortion this week. i think you're going to hear a lot about that tonight. >> medicare, abortion, i think benghazi. >> i i agree. >> joe biden, former chairman of the foreign relation committee and this very strong attack from the republican on leading the committee that had a four-hour hearing pillaring the state department yesterday. >> an area where anticipation had been joe biden would be able to press a grav as it. benghazi complicated that and you'll see paul ryan hit that. >> "time" magazine, your magazine out, and preprized k k pictures they took for the runner-up when paul ryan was runner-up for man of the year. do we need more proof tha
a huge stage for paul ryan. we're going to be looking for how joe biden addresses the issue of seniors and medicare, we're going to be look at how paul ryan carries those attacks and how he's able defend the romney/ryan ticket as opposed to his own positions and his own statements. romney's been modulating a little bit or saying some things that were somewhat garbled on abortion this week. i think you're going to hear a lot about that tonight. >> medicare, abortion, i think benghazi....
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or are you running and paul ryan as part of the romney/ryan ticket? how much should we expect to hear tonight about the way paul ryan comported himself in the house of representatives? >> well, you know, rachel, mitt romney and paul ryan campaigned all throughout the state of wisconsin during the republican primaries, where mitt romney completely wrapped his arms around paul ryan's policies. paul ryan's budget. i think that is going to be a piece of the discussion tonight and i think that is, you know, part of what the american people need to decide on, whether or not they want a budget that protects tax cuts for those at the top but is cutting education, and veterans and clean energy, innovation, infrastructure, turning medicare into a voucher program. those are the types of choices that the meamerican people have before them and that will be part of the discussion tonight. >> you said earlier today, stephanie, that paul ryan and mitt romney are politicizing the attack in benghazi that killed our ambassador there. the republican national committee re
or are you running and paul ryan as part of the romney/ryan ticket? how much should we expect to hear tonight about the way paul ryan comported himself in the house of representatives? >> well, you know, rachel, mitt romney and paul ryan campaigned all throughout the state of wisconsin during the republican primaries, where mitt romney completely wrapped his arms around paul ryan's policies. paul ryan's budget. i think that is going to be a piece of the discussion tonight and i think that...
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paul ryan has basically grown up inside the capitol. >> well, i think there are real advantages for ryan, too. he comes across as sincere and likable like the guy who lives next door to you and i think that's a huge advantage to do that. second of all, the vice president is going to have defend everything about their administration -- the mediocrity of the economy, the failure in foreign policy and so forth. and let's face it, joe biden has had his share of being the punch line on the talk shows and the comedy shows quite a bit, and there's always that opportunity with joe biden we're going to see some major gaffe again. >> all right, so, let's see if the kids in college for thursday night start a drinking game for how many times they hear big bird mentioned between the vice president ticket-holders. jonathan capehart, karen finney and john brebender, thank you for joining me. >>> joining me in studio, ohio state senator nina turner. great to have you here. i know you've been listening to the conversation about ohio, so let's dig in. their voter registration deadline is today. both candi
paul ryan has basically grown up inside the capitol. >> well, i think there are real advantages for ryan, too. he comes across as sincere and likable like the guy who lives next door to you and i think that's a huge advantage to do that. second of all, the vice president is going to have defend everything about their administration -- the mediocrity of the economy, the failure in foreign policy and so forth. and let's face it, joe biden has had his share of being the punch line on the...
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van hollen has worked with paul ryan, he's a democrat from maryland, who worked with ryan with and against on the house budget committee. so van hollen is someone who's very familiar, not only with his policies. so the two of them will be participating in mock debates. they've done two to date, and i'm sure they'll be doing a lot more up until wednesday, before they head to danville, kentucky, for the big night. >> what is the biggest concern for mr. biden and his team? >> well, when they really would like to do is to change the conversation from last week's performance by barack obama, get to change that conversation on thursday, and to really talk specifically about the ryan budget. joe biden told reporters last week that what he's doing is looking at ryan's policies and seeing how he can apply them to the ryan/romney ticket as a whole. what they really would like to do is talk a lot about those ryan fiscal policies. things like kucutting spending, reforming medicare, looking at social security. what biden would like to do is talk a lot about those issues. one issue for the vice presiden
van hollen has worked with paul ryan, he's a democrat from maryland, who worked with ryan with and against on the house budget committee. so van hollen is someone who's very familiar, not only with his policies. so the two of them will be participating in mock debates. they've done two to date, and i'm sure they'll be doing a lot more up until wednesday, before they head to danville, kentucky, for the big night. >> what is the biggest concern for mr. biden and his team? >> well,...
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ryan has to modulate. we'd like to be sharper, smarter, more on guard, but we're not. >> the neocons are the ones who have been prepping on that question. i think he had to strike that broad line there simply because in the senate and in the congress, there are a whole lot of members who are war weary. >> you're a republican. do you think this country is war weary after three wars? >> absolutely. i called for it when i was chairman and got creamed for questioning why we were engaging yet again in afghanistan. >> with an islamic country. >> here we go again. i think paul ryan had to walk that tight rope a little bit. quite frankly, it was difficult. it was obvious it was difficult, particularly on the question of iran and answering specifically with respect to the sanctions of working. are they working? they're having an impact. not being able to acknowledge that says a lot. >> i think he did a very good job on the whole foreign policy section. number one, he's a foreign policy expert. he's a chairman of fo
ryan has to modulate. we'd like to be sharper, smarter, more on guard, but we're not. >> the neocons are the ones who have been prepping on that question. i think he had to strike that broad line there simply because in the senate and in the congress, there are a whole lot of members who are war weary. >> you're a republican. do you think this country is war weary after three wars? >> absolutely. i called for it when i was chairman and got creamed for questioning why we were...
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i think that paul ryan will do well also. but i think that the issue here is you have to remember whether for mitt romney's own gaffes or whether the media built up president obama's some figure who is going to do extremely well in this campaign and wipe the floor with mitt romney, it already set the bar so high for president obama he fell very flat. didn't come close to the bar. we have an issue paul ryan is thought to be this wonky nerd and when he comes out, if he can perform even half as well as mitt romney, they are overestimated or underestimating congressman ryan, i would say if they think he will come out and just throw out a bunch of numbers and stats and not put any hard or skin in the game so to speak. he has won a congressional district because he can relate to people. i think we are going to see some of that behavior if that debate tomorrow night. >> there were critics from the female side of the aisle that there was no conversation, no debate, between mitt romney and president obama about a woman's right to choo
i think that paul ryan will do well also. but i think that the issue here is you have to remember whether for mitt romney's own gaffes or whether the media built up president obama's some figure who is going to do extremely well in this campaign and wipe the floor with mitt romney, it already set the bar so high for president obama he fell very flat. didn't come close to the bar. we have an issue paul ryan is thought to be this wonky nerd and when he comes out, if he can perform even half as...
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the vice president has been reviewing ryan's speeches. he's reading "young guns," the book that ryan co-wrote. he's done at least three mock debates. paul ryan has been watching tapes of biden's previous debate appearances and rehearsing for what is likely to be a major offensive. >> i really think that, you know, because they had such a bad debate, that joe is just going to come flying at us. and it seems pretty clear that their new strategy is basically just call us liars. >> i'm joined now by the former communications director for the edwards presidential campaign and robert train yam, an msnbc contributor and bush/cheney adviser. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> we know both men have been hunkered down preparing for this debate. in these closing days, chris what do they do? >> this debate has kind of gained more significance because of the last debate. >> yeah. >> i would actually say significances for both candidates, because romney's campaign clearly wants to try to build on the momentum and the obam
the vice president has been reviewing ryan's speeches. he's reading "young guns," the book that ryan co-wrote. he's done at least three mock debates. paul ryan has been watching tapes of biden's previous debate appearances and rehearsing for what is likely to be a major offensive. >> i really think that, you know, because they had such a bad debate, that joe is just going to come flying at us. and it seems pretty clear that their new strategy is basically just call us liars....
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you asked corey how will the romney/ryan plan help job creation. he didn't answer it. he attacked the obama administration. that's what we see time and time again by the radical romney plan is that they have no specifics. the fact of the matter is over the last 31 months, we've had private sector job growth, created 5.1 million new jobs. and as of last friday, we had the lowest unemployment rate we've enjoyed in the last four years. does more need to happen? of course it does. but that's why the president is going to win virginia, because he is talking about growing the middle class out and talking about job creation and strengthening our economy in ways that will invest for the future. he has a plan. the other side doesn't. it's resonating in virginia. and we're going to make history again in virginia and deliver to it barack obama. >> corey, the thinking was at the beginning of this campaign, the thinking was that the governor would be able to essentially run on the economy, that the unemployment numbers and that people's perceptions of the economy, that they were go
you asked corey how will the romney/ryan plan help job creation. he didn't answer it. he attacked the obama administration. that's what we see time and time again by the radical romney plan is that they have no specifics. the fact of the matter is over the last 31 months, we've had private sector job growth, created 5.1 million new jobs. and as of last friday, we had the lowest unemployment rate we've enjoyed in the last four years. does more need to happen? of course it does. but that's why...
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it was in pressing ryan, ryan couldn't say. he said i don't really have time to explain the math. and i think in this coming week's debate with joe biden, that is going to be a question that joe biden is going to ask him over and over again and give him all the time in the world to explain what deductions he would get rid of. when you look at this rate that he's talking about, there's a lot of money that's going to people at the upper end. it's very hard to offset their tax cut. even if you took away all their deductions. >> the the latest column, you posed the question, does our presidential campaign lack a moral core? what did you mean by that? >> i was struck in the debate that there was very little passion and absolutely no passion for the poor. and that's why i love the nuns on the bus. they are not assuming with the middle class people don't care at all about poor people or low income people. they are saying we as a country ought to care about them. i'd love to see a politician say what fdr said. better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity
it was in pressing ryan, ryan couldn't say. he said i don't really have time to explain the math. and i think in this coming week's debate with joe biden, that is going to be a question that joe biden is going to ask him over and over again and give him all the time in the world to explain what deductions he would get rid of. when you look at this rate that he's talking about, there's a lot of money that's going to people at the upper end. it's very hard to offset their tax cut. even if you...
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paul ryan's first. but again, in that case, we think we have the facts and the issues on our side with the obama/biden team you'll get another four years like the last four years with the romney/ryan team, a real recovery with more jobs for everybody. >> now politico is reporting today that ann romney and tagg his son, one of his sons did an intervention to try to save the campaign if you will and let mitt be mitt and get the candidate to talk more about himself, talk more emotionally to give the foreign policy speech. in pushing back against some of the staff. can you help us out on that? what is the -- your perspective about it? >> i saw the story. it's a silly little story. there's no truth to it. we're focused on big things. yesterday the governor gave a speech where he talked about some of the very real foreign policy challenges facing us. he talked about building 15 ships a year so we can build up our navy. he talked about the importance of reforming our foreign assistance and linking it to positi
paul ryan's first. but again, in that case, we think we have the facts and the issues on our side with the obama/biden team you'll get another four years like the last four years with the romney/ryan team, a real recovery with more jobs for everybody. >> now politico is reporting today that ann romney and tagg his son, one of his sons did an intervention to try to save the campaign if you will and let mitt be mitt and get the candidate to talk more about himself, talk more emotionally to...
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in some ways i think with joe biden and paul ryan it's going to be an even more damaging conversation if ryan has to obviscate and come up with specifics because he's the numbers guy. >> he's going to be prepared. we'll be prepared. >> he doesn't have enough time it to answer the question, but going back to the theme of the day, what matters, the economy always matters. ever since the cold war it's been about the economy with the possible exception of '04, right? we're in the war of terrorism. >> even in '04 the exit polls showed that even though it was a foreign policy election, it was still about the economy. >> it's always about the economy. foreign policy is at best second or third most important. once again this foreign policy forray into mitt romney it may be a couple days lost. he's not talking about the economy on an area where i think it's impossible to catch up to barack obama. >> i do take the point that he needs to give a speech like this. it's necessary if you're running for president. it's not necessarily sufficient to win the presidency, but it's necessary that you do i
in some ways i think with joe biden and paul ryan it's going to be an even more damaging conversation if ryan has to obviscate and come up with specifics because he's the numbers guy. >> he's going to be prepared. we'll be prepared. >> he doesn't have enough time it to answer the question, but going back to the theme of the day, what matters, the economy always matters. ever since the cold war it's been about the economy with the possible exception of '04, right? we're in the war of...